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I just ran across Mr. Multicultural Jeff’s blog, and in celebration of the American Independence Day from 2006, Jeff had some quoted material in his post that sounded familiar.

Some quotes to share:

Canada will be a strong country when Canadians of all provinces feel at home in all parts of the country, and when they feel that all Canada belongs to them.” -Pierre Elliott Trudeau

And in his “about me” section, I found the following quote written by him:

“I am a very vocal Canadian who speaks out against the “Americanization” of Canada”.

Side Note: Thanks to Jeff’s command of good-hearted self-contained Canadian spirit and ambitious contribution, I am now aware that Pierre Trudeau’s quote was referring to the separatism situation between Quebec and the rest of Canada. More information can be found here about that. I had confused the “wanting to feel that Canada belongs to Canadians” with the ongoing problem of “Americanization” in Canada where Canadians are fighting to be a sovereign nation ( independent from the US) as exemplified by the Canadian Action Party.

My apologies for the misunderstanding! America loves you. ♥♥♥

My point still remains the same, however. Let’s continue…. shall we? Many Canadians feel this way. Many Don’t. An example can be found from this topic on Facebook, “Which is better: Canada or America?”

(sic) I totaly agree, we dont start wars everywhere and the only reason we’re so full of gay stuff is all cuz we are so close from the usa and by that i mean the medias and commercial music, fast f00d and tv that make everyone lazy and fat…we live right next to the kingdom of greasy food and bad tv so we might end up like that. an oh yea, there’s more ppl smoking dope in canada than in the usa

I am so sad more people are smoking dope in Canada. I am jealous and heartbroken too. Since having read that, my heart skipped a few beats and any spirit left in me has vanished leaving me with feelings of hopelessness, helplessness, and ruin. But I shall try to continue to tread… Oh Canada.

I also found out today that America is a “cultural wasteland”. But I am here before you to tell you what America really is. The only true Americans are those whom are native. Everybody else whether their ancestry be European, Canadian, Mexican, Cuban, Haitian, Brazilian, Jamaican, Japanese or the natives themselves, —> it is all these mixed cultures in the US that make up what American culture is today. We are a country that is what we are today due to its multinational make-up. Immigrants built America and immigrants continue to build it. America doesn’t pretend to be perfect as there will always be something to work toward. And the salad bowl that we are, we continue to strive without giving up. Americanophobia only makes the true American spirit more alive as we become more bonded as a family.

I made the following comment in Jeff’s blog: (especially after my finding that his favorite TV show is *gasps* Family Guy). 8O

If you are against “Americanization”, why do you watch our TV and use our stuff? Most stuff we have in the US was made in China and you don’t hear us screaming about “Chinesation”. I am happy that you’re vocal about it, though. I mean, it’s not our fault that you guys are doing and using the same stuff as Americans. We’re not pointing our guns at you and forcing this stuff down the throats of Canadians. It’s your choice. You are a democracy. You should be able to change this rather than blaming us for “Americanizing” you.

In my opinion, I find Canadians need to have more confidence in themselves and not look to your neighbors to the south as a scapegoat.

These are the thoughts of MANY Americanophobes living in democracies. And that’s why I’m devoting a whole blog post to this issue. Americanophobes, in their infantile nature, have one thumb up their bum with the other being sucked on. They are in this constant mode of looking for a nipple. A more concise way of saying this: Americanophobes play the “victim card” all too much. We hear them cry often. We hear them play the “blame game”. One thing we never hear them doing is taking responsibility for themselves.

What an awful way to live!

I sincerely do not understand all this whining about “Americanization”. It’s hypocrisy at it’s finest.

Another point that I believe is hypocritical is the fact that the Americanophobic Canadians blame us for voting in Bush twice thinking we have more power than we do. (Hint: electoral voting system). If you’re going to make all Americans (even those that didn’t vote for him) responsible for Bush, then I find it fair enough to hold Canadians RESPONSIBLE for rampant “Americanization”.

I find it only practical and logical to

  • boycott our products including our movies, TV, any websites, our disgusting fast-food (heck, if it wasn’t making money in Canada, it couldn’t exist) technology, products, blue jeans, popular websites, or inventions by Americans. That will teach us because then we’d lose a lot of money and it won’t be worth it anymore to export our “Americanisms” across the border.
  • and to keep it a Canadian Problem and not a problem with American people.

If the Americanophobic claim from Canadians saying that their stuff is so much better than Americans is true , then you’d think the boycott would be easy, no?

I realize that this gentleman wasn’t outright accusing Americans of this misfortune in his country, but I’ve seen enough Americanophobes whine, moan, and groan about “Americanization” to American people (blogs and social networking sits are public, by the way) as if they think we can change this for them? What’s the point? What can I do about this? How is this ONLY the problem of America? Isn’t trading a two-way street – a *MUTUAL* commitment, anyway?

I’m genuinely trying to make sense out of all this.

This reminds me of a quote by Jean-François Revel:

Is Euro Disney Land a threat to the French Culture? If French culture can be squashed by Mickey Mouse, or more exactly by simply moving Mickey geographically, it would have to be disturbingly fragile.” Moreover, Revel argued, culture always circulates and, in the case of Euro Disneyland, California was merely repackaging for Europeans such European stories as Cinderella and Pinocchio. According to Revel, French culture was not being colonized and if any culture was in crisis, he contended, it was that of America with its fad for political correctness and other forms of “neoprovincialism.”

Here’s one more interesting point Mr. Multicultural Jeff jotted down in celebration of the Fourth of July in his blog that I found equally confusing:

“Canadians have an abiding interest in surprising those Americans who have historically made little effort to learn about their neighbour to the North.” -Peter Jennings

(I know who Peter Jennings is and I am aware that he’s passed away). On air in the US, Peter Jennings wept over 9-11 and began to smoke again on that day. He doesn’t sound all too Americanophobic to me – at least from what I know of him. However, this is a redundant argument used by Americanophobic Canadians – not figuratively – but LITERALLY like a broken record.

Same ole song. Same ole song. *yawn*

There’s much hypocrisy to be said here. It is fact that Canadians learn about America in school. They are forced to memorize our states and capitals and well as “learning” about our history. It is also fact that Americans get limited knowledge about Canada in school. (This is another reason for rampant Americanophobia in Canada as they are said to be always feeling left out, unnoticed and unappreciated. In any event, though, our lack of knowledge about Canada is out of our control as young grade-school pupils in a classroom. You cannot blame the average American for this. However, you CAN blame the system for this. The “system” does NOT represent the average American. Later on in life, as an adult, it’s up to them to learn about Canada if they want to – especially if they plan a visit. Canadians need to think more reasonably and realistically about this issue.)

Here’s the hypocrisy: Americans know just as much about their neighbors to the North as do the Canadians about their neighbors to the South. See, what the Canadians DO know about us is mostly distorted facts and heavily relied upon stereotypes. What has all this “learning about America” done for Canadians other than incite hatred and friction between the borders? Education is supposed to OPEN one’s mind – not close them. This is one of the few inspirations for my entry, “America, the Stupid”.

Yes, there are Canadians who see American people and America with a more balanced view. What separates these Canadians from those that are so bitter?

Short. Man. Syndrome.

Yes!

Your “Average American” according to the Americanophobes:

We are nationalistic, paranoid, arrogant, fat, lazy, greedy, racist, spoiled-rich, slutty, prude, ugly, ignorant, stupid, humorless, loud, obnoxious, carbon-emitting, baby-killing, flag-waving, bible-thumping, gun-toting, inbred and self-centered hicks.

This stereotype was even further validated by one of my commenters.

(sic) I do NOT live like an American. Trust me on that one. I watch real football, hockey, speak four languages, don’t carry a gun, am not scared by watching the evening news, and spell colour and flavour with a u

The evening news? Are you the same people that tell us yanks that all of our news outlets are biased and to not watch them? So, which is it? Make up your minds!

Oh Canada!

Actually there is more!

I never denied the Canadian ego problem. Our bear is better. Our food tastes better. We have REAL maple syrup. And we kick your ass again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again… in hockey. Just as it’s the man with the smaller phallus that needs too belittle the other by ‘trying’ to redirect the argument, it’s the confident, larger phallused male who can take the slings off the arrows of argument. Nothing like having the ego of a field moose, EH?

You can call it what you want: A poor attempt at trying to sound funny or a fashionable display of his unwell hidden “short man syndrome”. I say BOTH. While the above quote may appear as a “joke”, if you look at his blog and the comments he left for me down below, this is “truth” for him.

Mr. Multicultural Jeff!!

A Columbian blogger against Americanophobia wrote a piece in her blog challenging the views of so many South Americans and Europeans who had gotten upset with her for standing up for Americans and calling out the rest of the world for their irrational hatred.

I had wanted to talk about the American people for a long time, especially since I received a shower of criticism due to a piece I wrote in my Spanish blog called “Que Europa se Vaya al Carajo” (To Hell with Europe). There were a lot of comments that demonstrate the immense gap existing between the rest of the world and Americans. This is not news. Nevertheless, that piece made me realize that Americans are not the ones who have closed minds and conserve stereotypes of others. I had been reading what some Colombians, Spaniards, French, Germans, etc. think of Americans, I now know that they are the ones who conserve exaggerated stereotypes and they refuse to recognize the true face of America.

Read the rest here.

I really don’t know exactly what she meant by “to hell with Europe”, but if you can read Spanish, this is the piece that she wrote referring to her feelings about Europe (a different blog post).

Stereotypes and Americanization go hand in hand as noted in this article.

It is my belief that Americanization gives other countries a false sense of the American way of life and, in the end, causes hatred for the U.S. and threats on our power and freedom.

[snip]

Americanization is not only changing the world, but also causing wrong judgments to be made about American life. In a recent French poll of images that come to mind when thinking of America, 67% of those polled said “violence” and 49% “inequality” as opposed to only 20% who said “freedom” and 4% “generosity” (3). In Europe, Americans are stereotyped by globalization as being shallow, spoiled, and shortsighted. Tim Synder writes that only a little more than ten years ago, America was a great model of democracy. “As an American I was asked about Paul Revere, Thomas Jefferson, and the Constitution. In 1998, I’m asked about Paula Jones, William Jefferson Clinton, and the Fifth Amendment” (4). What happened between those ten years that would drastically change the way Europe and the world view American life? Even President Bush isn’t exempt from this kind of stereotyping. When asked to describe President Bush in France, the most popular answers are “a ventriloquist’s dummy” and “the Forrest Gump of American politics” (3). In Singapore, words like violence, workaholism, and disrespect for authority are all synonyms for the “American Way.” “In your movies and your materialism, we don’t see the real America,” writes Simon Tay, a Harvard grad and lawyer from Singapore trying to explain this misperception (6). When looked at around the world, Americanization seems to have the opposite effect than what was imagined, causing many nations to incorrectly stereotype America.

You can read the rest here.

Aside from American TV and celebrities, I had never thought that American stereotypes could also stem from American globalization, so I found this an interesting read. And I must say that if I had lived in a different country, I would be against “Americanization” too! (I prefer all-things-Japanese if I had my way!!) However, I believe this problem has a solution. Being that American globalization has taken over the world, I feel the French and Germans raising taxes and tariffs on foreign companies and investors justified. I feel that other countries should also follow suit as those in Israel are doing too. With that said, I also believe in the boycott of American products as well. For example, when I was living in Japan, I saw McDonalds, Coca Cola, and other Americanisms – so to speak. Because I favor Japanese food and products over American, I would, for the most part, buy Japanese over there. I also had a TV in my Japanese apartment and had a choice of what to watch. I had absolutely NO problem in Japan avoiding American products. Easy beans.

While I believe that globalization IS a REAL problem, I find it troubling when I watch other countries consume what we make and feel that all Americans are “such and such” when you really cannot place such a “label” on over 300 million people that come from all over living in America.

Some say that the “Mexicans are taking over” here in the US. I find (read carefully, now) ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION to be a REAL problem too —– HOWEVER, I don’t blame the Mexicans. That would be stupid. If I was Mexican, heck, I’d try to leave my country illegally too. I find their motives justified. But I blame the American government/Bush and $$$$ Corporate $$$$ America $$$$ Fat $$$$ Cats $$$$ for allowing this to happen —- NOT the Mexicans.

Anyway, this is not to imply that Mr. Multicultural Jeff, the author of the aforementioned blog is a full-throttle Americanophobe nor is it to suggest that he is guilty of being indoctrinated to believe in the “Ugly American” stereotype that blankets us all. I read his “about me” section and he notes how he traveled two different cities in the US. He describes the US as being a “cultural wasteland” as proudly noted in his blog. I mention what I mention because what’s stated in his blog is nothing out of the usual from what one would hear from an Americanophobic Canadian – which is definitely not uncommon.

Same ole song. Same ole song. *yawn*

How is the United States a “cultural wasteland” when other countries continue to buy and use this “waste”? See, the hypocrisy? Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

For every few fit-pitching disgruntled and insecure Americanophobe, I find one civilian who doesn’t subscribe to such blind hatred. One can only assume from this post —> (a Canadian Tribute to Memorial Day) that this Canadian gentleman judges people by the individual and not the group they belong to. Go visit Fracas. He’s a nice guy, has a nice blog, and if you’re a WordPress user, he’s also very helpful. :-)

Before I end this post, may I just formally apologize for my fellow Americans that think you guys live in an igloo and ride polar bears? I am profoundly humiliated and embarrassed by this. My first experience with Canadians head-on was when I was living in Japan. They used to work with me. I never thought these crazy things about them, and am having a HUGE problem with those Americans that do think you all live in… igloos. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. So, please accept my apology. I feel your frustration as I’ve been on the end of stereotypes being an American. But please know that not all Americans are this STUPID.

To any Canadians reading this, if you have a problem with my challenging the views of the Americanophobic Canadians, you should be just as upset (if you’re fair and impartial) with the thoughts that I’m challenging. If AA Canadians are bold enough to flaunt publicly about how they feel about Americans, then they should also be just as bold and prepared to expect a reaction. I also recommend taking the thumb that is in the bum and switching it with the one that is in the mouth for a change… or to mix things up a bit. Amuse me. I get bored easily :D

  1. Only I’m a pretty obvious she who thinks Trudeau was a blight on Canada and who realizes that I don’t have to hate Americans in order to be a good Canadian.

    Many things about Canada are great. Many things about Canada also suck.

    Many things about the USA are great. Many things about the USA also suck.

    I guess that makes us pretty much just like each other, no? People with real self-esteem can see that hating someone else and imagining one’s self to be better than that person doesn’t actually make it so. I can be proud to be Canadian and still appreciate my neighbour. It is a pity so many people don’t understand that.

    Thanks for the kind words. I’m glad your spam problem was resolved!

  2. Fracas, aside from a more civilized working government you have over there in Canada, I agree, on the people level, we’re not too different at the end of the day.

  3. Greetings Earth Virgo Monkey!

    Zontar has ingested the wisdom contained in your most recent post and would like to commend you for you typically very well written, well thought out post. Zontar thinks your point about Canadians whining about America’s assault on their “culture” very well said. Zontar, whose word you can trust implicitly would like to amplify on something Canadians love to boast about, and Zontar abominates a braggart News Flash!! Canada did NOT, repeat did NOT burn down the White House during the War of 1812.
    While there were Canadians who were pressed into serving in the British military during this time, it was an English led assault, not Canadian.

    Hail Canada!

    Hail Virgomonkey!!

    Hail Zontar!!!

  4. I am Canadian. I have – when on vacation in California – been asked what it’s like to live in an igloo and whether we really use dogsleds. Best laugh I had in a long time.

    The head-thumping-on-wall icon is hilarious. But really – no apology needed. There are stupid people in every country that exists.

    Human beings seem to have some deep seated need to “label” each other. They do it by skin color, by nationality, by gender and even by behaviour. Seldom are the labels beneficial or helpful.

    Labels allow people to say “you’re not like me….” and find groups of people like themselves where they can comfortably “fit in.” The way to reduce nationality-based prejudice isn’t to create more labels. It’s to erase them by showing that we all cry the same tears and bleed the same blood.

    Besides, I like American television. Ever WATCHED Canadian broadcasting? lol.

  5. Wow. Not only did you talk out your ass on my bog, youve done so on yours too.

    It might be wise two read about Pierre Trudeau, Quebec, the Parti/Bloc Quebecois, the FLA, Separation in Canada, and then rethink your comment to the quote about all Canadians feeling at home about Canada.

    You accuze Canadians of using stereotypes to assess what an American is, but then you turn around and use your own stereotypes about ‘Anti-American’ Canadians in your argument? You are just as hipocritical as you make me out to be.

    As too boycotting, about the only thing that America has left is movies and television. No American products as such are in Canada anymore. Just like you, the majority of crap we buy is from China. And our manufacturing sector is getting hammered just as yours must be too.

    Though as a point of food for thought. Seeing as you lot seem to scour the internet to find so-called Anti Americanism to flame and complain about yourselves (just as we apparently complain about your influence on us), you’re entire stance is both ironic and hypocritical. Maybe, just maybe, with the pethora of sentiment out there, perhaps there can be some ounce of tooth and fact fueling the fire?

  6. Hi Jeff, and welcome to my blog. :-)

    Actually your post was at the bottom of one of mine in the newer feature of WordPress in “related posts”.

    But to address your points, I wasn’t stereotyping Canadians. Where in my post was I stereotyping? I was railing against Anti-American Canadians. We railers deserve a voice too, yanno? Did you read my entire post, by the way? Trust me, if the tables were turned, you’d be just as noisy.

    You should also see the backlash against the Westboro Baptist Church here in the states. Just as these people are “fair game” to be angry at, so are other prejudicial groups such as the Anti-Americans.

    Jeff, just one question, though… Why “Family Guy”? Why?!?!

    Linda, Hello from the Southern side. :) No, I’ve never seen Canadian broadcasting, but your comedians are fantastic i.e. Mike Myers, Jim Carry etc….

  7. Oy. Linda has spoken a truth here. Canadian television is painful.

    I agree though… dumb people are everywhere. For every American who thinks Canada is all ice and snow in July, there’s an Eastern Canadian who thinks Saskatchewan is totally flat. Dumb knows no boundaries, but to be fair to everyone (dumb people included, lol) Mr. Fracas (since I am actually the she fracas) passes all of this off to how so many people really just exist inside their own world. Canadians are often ignorant about other Canadians and Americans are often ignorant about other Americans… because they live in their own little bubble, not because they want to hate the other.

  8. Fracas, tell me about it! I currently am living in San Antonio, TX. When I moved from Los Angeles to TX, I had a few people asking me if I go places on a horse. (!!) My friends in LA were saying, “HOWDY” to me. Some thought that there was just green leaves, cows, horses, rednecks, and all that is associated with Texas. Americans living in other places in America don’t know that San Antonio is the 6th largest city in the US. It’s VERY industrialized. It’s cheap to live in San Antonio and because of this, many companies pack up and move here to do business.

    My husband and I used to live in the NE section of SA for the first year. Then we moved to the NW. BIG DIFFERENCE. Over here in the NW, there’s a very large gay community (a big improvement for the bible-belt!), there’s international restaurants all over the place (Japanese markets too – yay!), and the people are more liberal and diverse.

    Austin, TX is supposed to be “the LA of TX”.

    So, yeah… Americans are ignorant to other areas in the US. Nobody says “howdy” here and most locals don’t even have an accent. I see only very few wearing cowboy hats, but some that wear them pretend to be cowboys because they think it’s cool. The real cowboys are elsewhere. I saw some real ones in El Paso, Texas and they were so friendly and courteous.

    We STILL have problems here between the North and the South in the US (the old Civil War). Not only that but many San Franciscans hate LA people. So, there’s a bit of tension there. Americans despise each other the most over political/religious differences. When I tell some Americans that I’m from Miami, some say things like, “Ewwww…. Miami?!” They stereotype Miami as being nothing but crime. Well, it’s true, the crime is bad there, but hey… come to South Beach and Ocean Drive… it’s PARADISE! :D I was born a Floridian and will die a Floridian because that’s where my heart is.

  9. Hmmm… for stereotypes:

    “Canada will be a strong country when Canadians of all provinces feel at home in all parts of the country, and when they feel that all Canada belongs to them.” -Pierre Elliott Trudeau

    First off, (regarding the quote by Pierre Trudeau) who does Canada belong to? Are you that fragile a country to be worried about “Americanization”?

    You have absolutely know context as too the nature of the great Mr. Trudeau’s comment, and immediately stereotyped it as an Anti-Americanism quote.

    These are the thoughts of MANY Canadians.

    Many Canadians? If you’re talking about the majority, wich is the implication of this statement, please provide a factual referense. If it just means you found a lot of sources, do bear in mind there is more than 45 million of us. I’m sure you havent even come close two that many kinks.

    Another point that I believe is hypocritical is the fact that the Anti-American Canadians blame us for voting in Bush twice thinking we have more power than we do. (Hint: electoral voting system).

    Once again, please provide a verifiable source. Though do bear in mind most Canadians do not have a reasonable understanding of American civics, as US channels are broadcast hear, thus when you have elections we get the media frenzy about it to. I do understand you dont need a majority of the popular vote too become President, it seems highly improbable that you can win with 35% of it (tho in Canada you can, as we have four (4) strong political parties). And there are a reasonably sized lot of Canadians (mostly those who voted for hour current twat of a PM) who like Bush.

    I realize that this gentleman wasn’t outright accusing Americans of this misfortune in his country, but I’ve seen enough Canadians whine, moan, and groan about “Americanization” to American people as if they think we can change this for them? What’s the point?

    The reason we bitch and moan is not meant directly for your hears. Rather, it is meant for our government. The majority of Canadians want them to do something for it. Americans should stop being so returdedly ego-centric about what comes out off our mouths.

    In any event, though, our lack of knowledge about Canada is out of our control as young grade-school pupils in a classroom.

    And continues straight through to the sheer control of you’re media. Watch the weather. I have seen on numerous occasions from varying stations, when you watch the weather in the US, that north of 49 has no land mass, but rather just a continuation off ocean connecting the Atlantic with the Pacific. Could that be a statement or what?

    My main concern is simple. Cultural influence. Having read my ‘About Me’ sextion, I’m sure you’re quite familiar with my working in Film and Television production. It’s true. Our airwaves and cinemas are full of American content. And true, I love the Family Guy’s and Battlestar Galactica’s of US content. But an easy 90% of what is produced is shit. Drivel that perpetuates the Norman Rockwell ideal of the American family, reality nonsence, a second rate version of Kitchen Nightmares downplaying Gordon Ramsay’s talent in lieu of his anger (watch the UK version if it’s available… it’s 10x better), style over substence. You get the point. And before you go flying off the deep end (again), I do want something to be done. Canadian TELEVISION production is a growing enterprise. Better shows our always coming down the pipe now. But film is hindered. But film is messed up to say the least. Too put my film degree in a nutshell, it is heavily underfunded, mostly Goverment funded, applying spitulations that eliminate the desirability of the content to the target age group (15 to 25 years). They won’t fund commercially viable film, but won’t put a Canadian content quota (like there exists on the broadcasting side) as American studios have threatened too seize all of their production on Canadian soil if they do.

    Tits.

    As to Family Guy, I love satire, I love that they take potty shots at everything (including Canada), and I love that they have the guts to call a spade a spade.

    And BMW, you have the right to express your opinionsas I have the right too correctly point out the flaws in your logic.

  10. You have absolutely no context as to the nature of the great Mr. Trudeau’s comment, and immediately stereotyped it as an Anti-Americanism quote.

    A stereotype is a sweeping generalization made referring to all Canadians. The very worst thing that Americans cans strum up about Canadians in a stereotypical sense is “a-boot” and “eh”. A stereotype is one which many believe in. You can argue that I misunderstood Trudeau’s comment – but not guilty of stereotyping the Canadian people.

    Many Canadians? If you’re talking about the majority, ….

    Many doesn’t mean the majority. No.

    Once again, please provide a verifiable source. Though do bear in mind most Canadians do have a reasonable understanding of American civics, as US channels are broadcast here, thus when you have elections we get the media frenzy about it too. I do understand you don’t need a majority of the popular vote to become President, it seems highly improbable that you can win with 35% of it (though in Canada you can, as we have four (4) strong political parties). And there are a reasonably sized lot of Canadians (mostly those who voted for our current twat of a PM) who like Bush.

    About Americans being stupid for voting in Bush twice… That’s way too obvious. I’m sure if you ask any Anti-American Canadian, “Do you think Americans are stupid for voting in Bush twice, they’ll say, “yes”. But here’s one example if you look at michou says and I quote:

    How can I continue or have respect for a nation of citizens who choose to be indoctinatred on their own free will ? Who are letting their system of government slide towards fascism without lifting a finger?

    The above is an example of the thinking that Americans have more power than we have. You did say one example (verifiable), and why would she lie? This is so commonly thought, it’s not funny.

    The reason we bitch and moan is not meant directly for your ears. Rather, it is meant for our government. The majority of Canadians want them to do something for it. Americans should stop being so retardedly ego-centric about what comes out of our mouths.

    Ego-Centric? How would something like this rub the American ego to make us feel better about ourselves? Isn’t that what ego is about? Maybe you weren’t catering that comment to an American audience, but c’mon Jeff, the whole world is mad at Americans for American globalization because they think that WE’RE ego-centric. Canada takes more of the baggage, though because you live so close to us and aren’t too different culture-wise. And there are probably way too many Canadians who don’t want to give up American stuff for your government to bat an eye lash.

    And continues straight through to the sheer control of your media. Watch the weather. I have seen on numerous occasions from varying stations, when you watch the weather in the US, that north of 49 has no land mass, but rather just a continuation of ocean connecting the Atlantic with the Pacific. Could that be a statement or what?

    That’s because American weather-men focus on American weather, so Canada is completely wiped off the map! Mexico is missing too! This doesn’t mean we don’t know Canada and Mexico exist. They could be just saving time and money by leaving the weather that we don’t cover out. Although I’m sure that there are some yanks that think MX and CA don’t exist… no doubt. They’re probably also the same people that think you ride a sled to work. In any event, the amount of info we have on each other is quite the equal. The CBC did something similar if you look at this post and check Case Study #3.

    My main concern is simple. Cultural influence. Having read my ‘About Me’ section, I’m sure you’re quite familiar with my working in Film and Television production. It’s true. Our airwaves and cinemas are full of American content. And true, I love the Family Guy’s and Battlestar Galactica’s of US content. But an easy 90% of what is produced is shit. Drivel that perpetuates the Norman Rockwell ideal of the American family, reality nonsense, a second rate version of Kitchen Nightmares downplaying Gordon Ramsay’s talent in lieu of his anger (watch the UK version if it’s available… it’s 10x better), style over substance. You get the point.

    You don’t think that Americans think that some of our shows are crap too? And American TV doesn’t represent the Average American. I’m sure you realize this.

    But film is messed up to say the least. To put my film degree in a nutshell, it is heavily underfunded, mostly Government funded, applying stipulations that eliminate the desirability of the content to the target age group (15 to 25 years). They won’t fund commercially viable film, but won’t put a Canadian content quota (like there exists on the broadcasting side) as American studios have threatened to seize all of their production on Canadian soil if they do.

    I can sympathize with that. American education is not funded as much as it should be.

    As to Family Guy, I love satire, I love that they take potty shots at everything (including Canada), and I love that they have the guts to call a spade a spade.

    I know. I can’t stand that show, but I was just teasing you about that. :-)

    And BTW, you have the right to express your opinions, as I have the right to correctly point out the flaws in your logic.

    Nobody’s saying that nobody doesn’t have any rights here. I welcome you to challenge what’s burning on my stove top. No problem. Challenging goes both ways, and I’m glad you see that. I’ve been wrong before, and I’m sure I’ll be wrong again MANY times. So, no problem. There are people that don’t even let comments go through, and I HATE that.

  11. A stereotype is a sweeping generalization made referring to all Canadians. The very worst thing that Americans cans strum up about Canadians in a stereotypical sense is “a-boot” and “eh”. A stereotype is one which many believe in. You can argue that I misunderstood Trudeau’s comment – but not guilty of stereotyping the Canadian people.

    Wow. I didn’t no that stereotype only referred to Canadians. Honestly, you should edit what you write before you publish. The reason a newspaper has an editorial department. Re-read your initial text about Trudeau’s quote, and assume knot everyone thinks like an American when you do it. It might rub off as more stereotypical, especially if you read about Trudeau’s work to try to unify the country in the face of an separatist movement (wikipedia is a good place to start your research).

    Many Canadians? If you’re talking about the majority, ….

    Many doesn’t mean the majority. No.

    Come on, this is juvinile. Quote me in context please. It seems you missed my point.

    About Americans being stupid for voting in Bush twice… That’s way too obvious. I’m sure if you ask any Anti-American Canadian, “Do you think Americans are stupid for voting in Bush twice, they’ll say, “yes”. But here’s one example if you look at michou says and I quote:

    Funny, if you’d ask me, I think the reasoning was due to lack off alternative choices and ignorance (primarily established by the media) off the global perspective of events. And I know MANY others who dont fault American people, but rather the system you live within. And just to bring a US perspective to same, this is like something that Scott Adams wrote in The Joy of Work, re You Our Wrong Because. The brain malfunction here is

    5. THE FEW ARE THE SAME AS THE WHOLE
    E.G. Some Elbonians are animal rights activists. Some Elbonians wear fur coats. Therefore, Elbonians are hypocrites.

    How can I continue or have respect for a nation of citizens who choose to be indoctinatred on their own free will ? Who are letting their system of government slide towards fascism without lifting a finger?

    The above is a example of the thinking that Americans have more power than we have. You did say one example (verifiable), and why would she lie? This is so commonly thought, it’s not funny.

    Once again, see brane malfunction number five from above.

    Ego-Centric? How would something like this rub the American ego to make us feel better about ourselves? Isn’t that what ego is about? Maybe you weren’t catering that comment to an American audience, but c’mon Jeff, the whole world is mad at Americans for American globalization because they think that WE’RE ego-centric. Canada takes more of the baggage, though because you live so close to us and aren’t too different culture-wise. And there are probably way too many Canadians who don’t want to give up American stuff for your government to bat an eye lash.

    Please take Psychology 301 at any post-secondary institution. Ego is knot just about feeling good. There is such a thing as a blow job to the ego also.

  12. “if I had lived in a different country, I would be against “Americanization” too!”

    I disagree with you for that point… since WW2 many different nations and cultures influenced germany – its understanding of the world – its diversity and its economy – most of all (for sure) the USA, (democracy, economy, products) – on place two – many nations from middle east (Turkey, Arabia, India etc.) through immigration. And in sector three – many Asian nations and many African nations… Not to mention the european nations plus russia (which are the real place number one – but that*s naturally given through our common history).

    Right now in germany are living people from nearly all parts of the world – Many germans feel threatened because of this and are afraid, that germany could lose it*s own culture… I agree, that one has to be careful to “import” stuff from other nations – some ideas simply don*t work in your culture… some things are even dangerous to your freedom and system.

    But I would never say, that this is a bad thing and that we should radically enforce our culture! I think that the “cultural globalisation” is a power of understanding and peace, and for sure an enrichment for our civilisation and our perspective towards the world.
    I enjoy the fact, that I am able to learn nearly all available languages – am able to talk to people from the most different parts of the world, and am able to eat a burger/kebap/pizza/chinese noddles whenever I want to.
    Maybe I*m a minority – but I like this way of cultural communication! I give in, that you still have to be careful – too much is never a good thing.

    I can agree to your opinion, that globalization is a negative thing, only for the economical sector… and only because I am of the opinion, that the “economical globalization” failed to be fair and failed to be a common enrichment of all participating nations.

    And to end with a slogan: “Only the weak one has to be afraid of change!”

  13. Wow. I didn’t know that stereotype only referred to Canadians.

    What??? Who else says “eh” and “a-boot” other than Canadians? If you are referring to dialect and ways of speaking, where did I say that only Canadians speak differently? And yes, before you blow up, I DO realize that it depends on the province you live in. What is wrong with you?

    Re-read your initial text about Trudeau’s quote, and assume not everyone thinks like an American when you do it.

    Come again? Where exactly am I assuming everyone thinks like an American? o_O

    Canadians live like Americans do. Get over it. It’s a reality. It’s not an American ego-trip. Did I say the whole world? No. I said Canadians.

    It might rub off as more stereotypical, especially if you read about Trudeau’s work to try to unify the country in the face of a separatist movement (wikipedia is a good place to start your research).

    You do realize that Wiki can be changed by anyone… including me, right? That’s the WORST place to go for information!! I believe you, Jeff, and I will edit my post to reflect that. So, chill.

    Come on, this is juvenile. Quote me in context please. It seems you missed my point.

    You said, “IF I was talking about the majority, and I WASN’T. Good Grief! I made that clear. What’s so hard to understand about that? You’re going on about a whole lotta nothing here.

    Funny, if you’d ask me, I think the reasoning was due to lack of alternative choices and ignorance (primarily established by the media) of the global perspective of events. And I know MANY others who don’t fault American people, but rather the system you live within. And just to bring a US perspective to same, this is like something that Scott Adams wrote in The Joy of Work, re You Are Wrong Because. The brain malfunction here is…

    If you took the time to see the links I posted in my disclaimer down below and went through the posts that I’ve written about Canadians you’d see that I’ve credited MANY Canadians that DON’T fault the American people. Seriously. Go through those links. Do you see that little black button at the end of my post? Please read it. All of your questions are answered there. I refuse to repeat them here – hence my making that, “Before you comment on my blog, please click on this box and read the contents therein” sticker. Then you’ll see the purpose of my posts and my blog.

    My blog is NOT about Canada or Canadians for that matter. It’s about THE ANTI-AMERICANS (well, at least my last 25 out of 272 posts are). What part about “Anti-Americans” is so hard for you to understand? There are many AA (Anti-American) Canadians. There are many AAA (Anti-Anti-American) Canadians. How am I saying otherwise?

    Once again, see brain malfunction number five from above.

    I have no idea what you’re talking about. I did see the brain malfunction. And you’re not making any sense here.

    Please take Psychology 101 at any post-secondary institution. Ego is not just about feeling good. There is such a thing as a blow to the ego also.

    Then the Canadians must have some sort of ego-problem too. Proof: Link 1 and Link 2.

    If you’re gonna take the time to comment, read to see what I’m about first. The post that you’re responding to (talking about ego) had very little to do with you.

    You know what? I am not even going to bother reading the rest of your stuff. You have totally taken my entire post off to an unknown tangent. I had made that disclaimer at the bottom of my posts for a reason. Read. Then after you read that and the research (which was written mostly by NON-AMERICANS, then come back here and comment. Right now, it seems that all you care about here are semantics – everything but the post that you’re responding to.

    Jeff, also re: “Americans are stupid”, I highly recommend this read.

    Thank you!

    P.S. I edited my post, by the way. While it’s clear you’re misinterpreting too much of what I’m writing, I do apologize for the misunderstanding re: Trudeau’s quote.

    Cern4m, Thanks for the comment. Well, let’s just say that I understand where some countries are coming from in their fear of turning into America. I think I’d feel it too re: the slippery slope factor. But I agree with what you said in terms of “moderation”. Too much of anything IS unhealthy. And while I like some American food (just one petty example) (especially home cooking), I don’t think it’s the bee’s knees.

    I envy the French – especially when I came across this post and this post. To think that the US could possibly change these ideals that the French have (or other European countries), would be frightening for me if I were living in France.

  14. Well, to avoid an all out war… I’d just like to end on this point.

    I do say eh, but not a-boot.

    I just wanted to re-enforce that point about not thinking American. It is difficult for all too think objectively (without reference too self).

    I do NOT live like an American. Trust me on that won. I watch real football, hockey, speak four langages, don’t carry a gun, am not scared by watching the evening news, and spell colour and flavour with a u :P

    The whole comment about ‘many’ Canadians was stereotypical. I was merely highlighting that you had now factual backup about it. Your used of English can, in terms of alternate perspective, reed majority indirectly. This would need an retraction for publication quality.

    Wikipedia IS a good place to START. Not finish, but START. Yes, it can be changed, though much of the fact is REFERENCED. You can jump and link to many other articles and factual resources to MAKE UP YOU’RE OWN MIND (is this a concept your ARE familiar with?)

    My use of MANY was ironic. Read between the lines. Or listen to your own words about MANY knot meaning majority or all. The ‘brain malfunction’ also applies two this.

    I am never denied the Canadian ego problem. Our bear is better. Our food tastes better. We have REAL maple syrup. And we kick your ass again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again… in hocky. Just as it’s the man which the smaller phallus that needs too belittle the other by ‘trying’ to redirect the argument, it’s the confident, larger phallused male who can take the slings of the arrows off argument. Nothing like having the ego of a field moose, EH?

  15. I do NOT live like an American. Trust me on that one. I watch real football, hockey, speak four languages, don’t carry a gun, am not scared by watching the evening news, and spell colour and flavour with a u

    YOU DON’T REPRESENT THE ENTIRETY OF CANADIANS, Mr. “I’m better than everyone else”! How are these things you mention “living like an American”? Nice sweeping statements geared at over 300 million diverse people across 50 states and 30 thousand incorporated cities therein. The stereotypes you mention are those stereotypes that AMERICANS YANKEES use on the “deep south”, and even that’s not right.

    The Anti-Americans are a group of bigots! They are fair game to call out. So, my writing isn’t hypocritical as yours is.

    But thank you! I feel even more validated by exposing Canadian Anti-Americanism, the pompous attitude you have toward us, and the stereotypes that you believe in. By the way, have you heard what the French have had to say about the bastardization of YOUR language?

    Deal with it. Many Canadians like YOU are brainwashed to believe in the “ugly American stereotype”. Because it’s a lot easier to follow the crowd than to think for yourself (a concept that you’re not familiar with?). If I didn’t have factual evidence before, I certainly DO NOW per the comment you just wrote. So, I thank you again. It’s Canadians like you who have inspired the current theme on my blog.

    You can jump and link to many other articles and factual resources to MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND (is this a concept you’re NOT familiar with?)

    How am I not making up my own mind? Please quote me or rather tell me who I am being “brainwashed” by? You aren’t um.. hated by Americans. If there’s Anti-Canadianism in the US, it’s only because you guys (the AA’s) are so fucking noisy with all your boasting, the insults your hurl toward Americans, and your self-righteous holier-than-thou attitude. I don’t agree with Anti-Canadianism either, but I’m just saying that if it does exist, that’s why.

    I never denied the Canadian ego problem. Our beer is better. Our food tastes better. We have REAL maple syrup. And we kick your ass again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again… in hockey. Just as it’s the man with the smaller phallus that needs to belittle the other by ‘trying’ to re-direct the argument, it’s the confident, larger phallused male who can take the slings of the arrows of argument. Nothing like having the ego of a field mouse, EH?

    Ever tried the maple syrup that comes from Vermont? How is Vermont maple syrup not real? Humor me.

    This is all getting really petty now and your examples of how Canadians are “better” are quite a far stretch, doncha think? I find it quite hypocritical of you to find it necessary to point out that all-things-Canadian are better than American. Whether it’s true or not, the fact that you find it necessary to make this statement, (hiding by the ever so popular “it’s a joke”, “it’s irony”, “read between the lines” banter) once again, further validates the typical ANTI-AMERICAN AND ARROGANT CANADIAN.

    If Canadian “stuff” is better, than quit using what we export to you. Your statements are so incredibly hypocritical!! And for the record, it’s NOT a “Canadian thing” to speak 4 languages. It’s just speaking 4 languages. So, if you think you’re insulting Americans by that ridiculous remark, you are also insulting your people as well. And I don’t believe that you speak 4 languages!! Multilingual people are generally not xenophobic like you are. Nice try, though. ;-)

    And what the hell is “Canadian food”, it’s all copy-cats from other countries. I take that back. I credit you for some original recipes, saskatoon berries, and fiddleheads. Knowing you, you’ve probably never even tried American food outside McDonalds, steak, and taters… and never having given quality American food a try. Quite conveniently, you ignore all regional American cuisine: Cajun, Southwestern, Southern Barbecue, just to name a few…. Seriously, I’ve never tried your food. And I’m sure, just as all other-things-Canadian are, it’s much better. :roll:

    And for the 455897007th time, there is demand for American products in Canada. If your claim was true that there was “little demand”, our stuff wouldn’t sell, and then there would be NOTHING to export. It’s a reality. Both of our countries NEED each other. Get over it. And get over yourself!

    So, you kick our asses in hockey, how does that make Canadians better than Americans? And you call me “juvenile”? You’re kidding me, right?

    You are not welcome to comment here anymore because you are resorting to even more irrelevant minutiae and personal attacks on my people – rather than properly challenging “the flaws in my argument”.

    I understand your hysteria, though. You got your nationalistic ass handed to you, and now you’re pissed.

    Eh?

  16. Greetings Earthlings,

    Zontar, being an impartial observer, has to step in once again to stop the madness! Zontar has studied the above arguments of Jeff, the proud Canadian. Zontar hates to disappoint Ms. Virgomonkey but he has to agree with all the major points Jeff makes. The food in the Great White North IS decidedly superior. On his most recent trip to that fair land, Zontar was privileged to sample the great national dish of poutine. Zontar took a picture of it before ingesting this delicacy. Observe!

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ee/Poutine123.jpg

    Zontar took another picture of it after said poutine was rejected by Zontar’s delicate digestive tract:

    http://www.soimmature.com/images/foamy_vomit.gif

    The fact that Canada excels in maple syrup production and that its main cultural contribution to the world are superior hockey players absolutely obliterates poor virgomonkey’s arguments.

    Zontar has spoken.

  17. So, as a result of u “handing his ask to him”, u block him? And u call HIM juvenile??

    Werent u the one saying everyone has a right too there opinions

  18. Um retardedrugrat (a fitting name indeed), there’s a HUGE difference between having an dissenting opinion and hurling insults – (that includes stereotypes), love. That’s exactly what I have written in my disclaimer that you’re claiming to have read.

    Silly one, if I was against opposing opinions, I wouldn’t have allowed Mr. Multicultural Jeff’s salivary showers even on this page!

    And psst… the “juvenile” comment initially came from him.

    OOPS!

  19. A part of a comment I found on Jeffs blog, that might be interesting…


    Jeff Says:
    Saturday, 31 May, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    For the first quote, try reading the wikipedia entry for Quebec. And while you do, assume that not every free thinking person on the planet wants to be a part of a cultural wasteland like the land south of 49.

    This is surely a part of a conflict between him and a commentator, but even if he wrote in anger, this is a really interesting thing to say – and to try on the other hand to show, that virgo*s post is pointless over here…

  20. This is surely a part of a conflict between him and a commentator.

    That was actually me.

    That’s hilarious how he assumes that I think everyone wants to be “Americanized” when I had actually showed some sympathy for those countries that are being bombarded by that and noted that I, too, wouldn’t want to be overwhelmed by American Globalization.

    He cries in his blog about the US being a “cultural wasteland”, but at the same time continues to take advantage of American creations! How could one possibly take these comments too seriously?

    HYPOCRISY ALERT! ;-)

  21. you go as “candy”, too? ;)

    Ah I dislike this stuff… As some YouTuber (I think he was from Italy) already said in one of his videos… (something like: “RE: RE: a world without america”) – there is no sense in comparing the nations to find out which one is better.

    I sense this whole “Americanisation” thing to be a part of xenophobia – you can try to rip me apart now… I*ll enjoy it!
    Whereever this word is used, it*s accompanied by: “we loose our own culture” “our nation is becoming more violent, stupid, fat through the US-media/products” “America is building an empire, they want to annex us through their culture.”

    This is pointless!

    First of all: the USA is responsible for much stuff, that happens here in the big theatre of life – I don*t close my eyes before that and I know about many facts I dislike when thinking of the US – but THE USA IS NOT BUILDING AN EMPIRE!!!
    I demand that you realise that! This term has a clear definition and describes many different forms of national behaviour, that can be considered to be “imperialistic”, but – none of these are fitting the behaviour of the US!

    Before you answer this comment – read in a dictionary and do your own studies to have fitting ammunition for hunting me.

    My second point: This goes to all the people who are afraid of the “cultural annexion” the US is doing… Please study this term, too. And please realise, that many different companies from many different nations are “exporting” products and ideas originating in their own country to other nations. This is NOT an american invention and is much older than the US itself.
    This is called “global economy” If a product sells for a good prize in a foregin nation you have to be dumb (as a company) to NOT export it!

    This is NOT a concious process driven by the government of the United States – but in fact… for a big part by the importing nations themselves.

    Many people all over the world seem to be afraid of a global community and off cultural diversity, cultural globalization, but AGAIN I post my slogan:

    “Only the weak one has to be afraid of change!”

    You won*t stop this process – as our (the humans) technical abilities make this possible, this WILL happen! You are using MANY products and results of this process EVERYDAY YOURSELF – and before you cry arround, that you lost your own identity, you should think about your own profit.

    The borders of nations and cultures are breaking apart and I think this is a good thing, even if this is causing many problems – Many people try to keep things alive, that are dead already… many of your old ideas, you think of to be your identity, simply don*t fit our modern time – and if they don*t survive it… who cares? This is called “progress” and many “conservatives” (you should try to translate the latin word “conservare” to understand the true meaing of this one) have been crushed to dust while trying to stop this… Anybody is going to stop the progression of humanity.

    AAAH wait a second… before shouting at me, that I am a damn american patriot, just reasoning the mistakes of my nation… I*m german… sorry this one won*t work this time…

    Aye – now it*s your time to load your weapons… I*m curious.

    Farewell Chris

  22. eeerm… this is not a direct response to anyone… just my thoughts on all that stuff ;)

  23. Yeah, I go by Candy, ticklebug, and virgomonkey.

    Candy is the happy gun-toting American.

    Ticklebug is the McDonalds obsessed American

    and…

    Virgomonkey is the poor hockey-playing American who’s trying to export her “cultural wastelandedness” to Canada because she’s so nationalistic and arrogant, and won’t be happy until the entire earth and it’s people are completely destroyed.

    Speaking of nationalists…… Well, you know who I’m talking about.

    :D

  24. Anyone, anywhere, that is a brain-delusioned leftist is now my enemy. That goes for my fellow americans, or the majority of canucks, since that’s what most of you appear to be up there.

    By the way, stay out of our country, and stop watching our tv if that’s the way you feel. Stop selling us your oil. Don’t want it. We’ll work out our own solution. Better yet, cut off all contact with us. Seriously, we no longer GIVE a flying f*ck! Or haven’t you noticed the dwindling tourists who are no longer coming to visit? I hear all the usual BS, oh, it’s just the economy, or higher fuel prices. NO, dipshits, it’s your bashing of the past few years that has finally caught up with you. See ya…

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