As Many as 20 Teenagers Aware of Red Lake Plans, Officials Say
Roland Lussier, left, comforted son Roland Jr. after a wake for his older brother, Chase, last week in Red Lake, Minn. The last funeral for the 10 who died in the March 21 shootings is scheduled for today, and observers said many young people on the Red Lake Band of Chippewa reservation are still on edge.
(Richard Tsong-taatarii — Star Tribune Via AP)
“There may have been as many as four of these kids who were active participants in the plot,” said the official, who declined to be identified discussing an ongoing investigation. “The question is, how many other kids had some knowledge of this or had heard about it somehow? We think there were quite a few.”
FBI agents plan to perform forensic analysis on 30 to 40 computers seized Friday from the high school computer laboratory, FBI and school officials said. Investigators hope to learn more from the school computers, since much of the alleged discussion and planning among Weise and his friends occurred through e-mails and instant messages, the law enforcement official said.
The mysteries about Jeff Weiss are unfolding. Here are some disturbing and chilling clues into his mind before he committed these crimes:
Hat Tip: The Francis Farmer Revenge Web Portal
He even had his own blog at Live Journal. His last entry was on January 27th, 2005.
(sic) So fucking naive man, so fucking naive. Always expecting change when I know nothing ever changes. I’ve seen mothers choose their man over their own flesh and blood, I’ve seen others choose alocohol over friendship.
I sacrifice no more for others, part of me has fucking died and I hate this shit.
I’m living every mans nightmare and that single fact alone is kicking my ass, I really must be fucking worthless. This place never changes, it never will. Fuck it all.
His Yahoo profile can be found here.
Michelle Malkin has excellent coverage on Jeff Weise. According to her site, he also went under the alias, “Blades11″.
He was a member of the Above Top Secret Message Board where he contributed several posts including this one:
(sic) That is just messed… My dad committed suicide, recently, a girl everyone knew at our school committed suicide.
Why do I care?
I believe in no religion, flame me, call me whatever you want as you won’t/can’t convert me and won’t change me in anyway.
I think it takes alot of courage to accept death, if you think that you go to Hell or whatever God-forsaken pit after this life for ending your own personal suffering then you’re just… Nevermind.
I think most people who say this type of thing have never dealt with people who HAVE faced the kind of pain that makes you phsyically sick at times, makes you so depressed you can’t function, makes you so sad and overwhelmed with grief that eating a bullet or sticking your head in a noose seem’s welcoming.
If you think you’re better than those who take their own lives; you’re not. If you think you’re stronger than those who have taken their own lives; your not.
It takes courage to turn the gun on your ownself, takes courage to face death. Knowing you’re going to die and actually following through takes heart, I don’t care who you are.
This is my opinion, I do not claim to know all the answers or claim to be better than anyone. I just know my own opinion… Flame me all you want, if it makes you feel better to belittle someone you’ve never met than by all means go ahead. I don’t get pissed over text.
He had some “weird dreams” too.
(sic) Hello all, I’m new here. I’m not exactly sure what this post is about but hopefully by the end of it what it’s about will be clear.
Lately I’ve been having some really strange dream’s, they seem very realistic and filled with colour and sound’s, they really are more realistic than dream’s from like last month, but a few night’s ago I had this dream where I saw this very evil, very creepy canine’s face coming toward’s me, and I heard someone say “Shoot!,” either way everything went black and I could feel my whole body jerking and shaking, and while this was happening I could hear very loud and very distinct gunshot’s, mostly machine gun fire… I found it very weird and woke up immediately after feeling a little disoriented…
I don’t know what’s up, but anyone have any idea why this kind of stuff is just happening now?… I hope I posted this in the right forum…
I read a lot about criminology and have found that a lot of serial killers join the military at some point in time. It looks like that’s something even Jeff Weise had on his mind too.
(sic) The dog seem’s to represent the military? Funny, just woke up a little while ago but I had a dream about war, seemed real enough too… Sometimes times these dream’s scare me with their realism. Thank’s for replying.
I found THIS to be extremely interesting:
(sic) Last night, or yesterday evening, something very weird happened…
I came home from school because I was “sick,” (although in truth, I wasn’t… I was BSing because I didn’t want to be there anymore… Really stupid reason why I wanted to go home… If you want to know, ask, I’ll tell you), anyways. I was so depressed I felt like sleeping… So I went to bed at 1 PM and slept till 6, got up for about 10 minutes — was still feeling down so I went back to sleep… It was somewhere during this period (from 6 to 12 AM) that…
I was laying in my bed, facing my computer and TV, I could see my alarm clock across the room, it’s red numbers, and the yellowish glow the light on the extension cord gives, I could see this black figure. It was really well defined against the darkness, sort of darker then dark (I know that sounds weird but thats how it was), about 3 ft tall… For some reason, I reached for it (I was in the dreamy state — but I could tell I WASN’T dreaming), and touched it. I was sort of scared, but it was then (after touching it) I fell right back into a deep sleep…
Events like this usually follow a tingly feeling I get before going to bed… Or a really “drained” feeling that makes me really tired when I’m lying in bed… This happens every once in awhile… Any ideas on what the heck happened?
If nobody had known who Jeff Weise was, we’d probably assume he’s just another confused teenage boy just trying to figure out what’s wrong with himself.
If you continue reading on, he mentions later that the 3ft. tall person was HIM and he asks WHY.
I’ve been studying Primal Therapy for over 10 years, and it’s quite evident by his dreams and his hallucinations his body was actually reliving sequences from his earlier childhood. His dreams represent the life of fear he lived. He asked WHY he was 3 ft. tall in his dream. Very easy. He was the little guy about to become attacked by …. possibly his father? The little guy was himself when he was about that tall. Seems pretty real to me. Remember his dad committed suicide. Doesn’t look like his dad had it all together, huh?
I think the bits and pieces of this puzzle are coming together. If psychiatrists and psychologists would open their minds and do a little more research and stop calling Primal Therapy, “Primal SCREAM Therapy” (thinking that patients just run around rolling on the floor screeching) and get a real clue, they’d BE ABLE TO STOP these kinds of things BEFORE THEY START.
Jeff Weise appears to have been wondering what was wrong with him. At that stage he could have been helped. He was on medication, so we know he was going to a psychiatrist. Did that psychiatrist not see the scars on his arms from his cutting himself? Did he not know about his dreams? Everybody thinks depression is a f’n chemical imbalance. The stupidity of our Mental Health System is disturbing and extremely antiquated.
According to the most modern therapy (Primal Therapy), it is only natural for one to subconsciously re-live whatever prior traumas happened in order to heal. Our bodies whether physically sick or mentally sick are continuously trying to heal themselves. You know when there’s bacteria in our bodies, our anti-bodies chip in to help out to heal us. It’s a similar process for psychological healing.
Repressed pain divides the self in two and each side wars with the other. One is the real self, loaded with needs and pain that are submerged; the other is the unreal self that attempts to deal with the outside world by trying to fulfill unmet needs with neurotic habits or behaviors such as obsessions or addictions. The split of the self is the essence of neurosis and neurosis can kill.
That pain is the result of needs and feelings that have gone unfulfilled in early life. Those early unmet needs create what I call Primal Pain. Coming close to death at birth or feeling unloved as a child are examples of such Pain. The Pain goes unfelt at the time because the body is not equipped to experience it fully and deal with it. When the Pain is too much, it is repressed and stored away. When enough unresolved Pain has occurred, you lose access to your feelings
and become neurotic.
The problem in our society today is that we put the blame on everything else but the parents. The parents are always good, they always wonder what happened to their happy child, they can’t understand why their child sleeps all the time, why he’s doing poorly in school and etc.
The blame is ALWAYS put on either video games, reading the wrong books, listing to rap or heavy metal, the blame is put on playing with the computer too much, it’s put on the friends they hung out with, and it’s put on the TV they watch. These are all examples of the SYMPTOMS; not the problem.
So, unless there’s a huge change in society, these things will continue and continue and continue, and we’ll all still be wondering why, why, why.
Primal Therapy costs so much because it’s unpopular and controversial. The therapy is based on what Freud said about how our past shapes our present. Primal Therapy just took it one step further. But people are afraid of learning about it because to learn about it means that we have to be brave and face reality which nobody’s courageous enough to do.
And when a kid shows he’s in pain, nobody listens. We just simply look the other way.
Do you think we’ll learn something from all this? Probably not.
See, tickle… this is exactly such a case that helps me to come to the conclusion that these people need to be studied and helped if they survive their horrible crimes vs. being killed by the state. They truly are victims themselves. Victims of what, I have no idea. What if we were to find out murderers were bit by a mosquito who passed down some sort of virus that caused them to go mad? A stretch? Maybe but what about rabies? Rabies victims would become dangerous and go mad too and they were just victims, not cold-hearted, brutal murderers. Just 2 more cents…
Hmmmm, rehabilitation….. My main focus is to look into having these children rehabilitated BEFORE they commit crimes.
In a way, Jeff Weise was reaching out for help and left so many hints into what was going on in his mind along with plans to kill. During this time, everyone was looking the other way. This problem could have been taken care of first rather than waiting for 10 people to get killed and then wondering, “Hmmm where did we go wrong”?
Now, it’s too late. Ten people are dead including himself.
I think there is some hope for some criminals to gain from rehap. I truly believe that David Berkowitz has been rehabilitated in prison. Click the link to see the details.
I also believe in putting some of these hardend criminals in institutions, and put through counseling. THE PROBLEM IS that these criminals HAVE TO WANT TO CHANGE in order for rehap to work. And for this reason, rehap doesn’t always work.
Serial killers such as Ted Bundy, (I firmly believe) was beyond rehabilitation. He had escaped from prison. He loved to kill. I doubt he thought something was wrong with him. And the same for Coral Eugene Watts.
Ya have to know there’s something WRONG with you first before any psychological counseling can even take place.
I also remember one infamous female serial killer, Aileen Wuornos said on TV that she didn’t think anything was wrong with her.
I don’t disagree with most of that. The only part we’re missing is when in the case of a killer who doesn’t know what is wrong with him or her, at least we can study, poke, prod, observe them and still maybe learn what makes them tick and how to detect symptoms in others before they get that far.
They’re sick and they should be in hospitals, not jails. The David B. like was very interesting, btw. Thanx for sharing
No problem for the David B. link.
And I think we’re somewhat on the same track here. And I hear what you’re saying. It does make sense.
I guess the primary goal would be to prevent crime and if that doesn’t work, to keep criminals out of the public to keep them from doing the same thing again.
I don’t think we disagree there. Although, I have to admit, our Justice System has too many holes in it, too many bleeding hearts, and too many lazy people.